February 1, 2010

  • On Tipping

    So here’s an interesting question: how important is tipping? And by interesting, I mean a question we’ve all heard a million times before. Datingish and other blogs here love to rehash the issue of tipping and the entitlement therein, and inevitably the point arises: servers must be tipped, because their salary is so drastically low! They’re paid only tuppence a bag! Or some modern equivalent thereof. Apparently there’s some American national minimum wage of two some odd dollars for wait staff, an amount that must therefore be buttressed by tips (being far below the minimum wage for other occupations). Hence, these hard-working and honest folk must be supported by our collective good natures. Tips are essential to their survival, after all.

    But what if we take our collective heads out of posterior that is the United States for thirty seconds (the only time I’ll allot, considering the population of Xanga is 75% American, and my readership is even more drastically Columbian; to wit: aside from two Britons, one German, a Mexican, a Canadian, a Singaporean, a Filipino and a Hongkonger, all 100 of the last visitors to my blog have been American.) and consider the wider world, we fall into an even more confusing trap of tipping etiquette! What if servers are paid the same minimum wage as other workers?! Then where do we stand? Surely if the Walmart greeter doesn’t require tipping because of his weighty and generous salary, we needn’t accord the server at the slop shop next door any greater liberality?

    Let the money fall where it may! That the fruit of my labours may further enrich the copiously lined coin-purses of the staunchly virtuous front-line proletariat is the dream of any good comrade.

    Do you agree? Is the necessity for tipping requisite on a substandard wage for servers?


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  • I always tip waitstaff, having been a waitress myself, I know they appreciate it. Even if they’re lousy, I’ll throw them %15, I mean, it’s a tough gig and I can understand an off night. But if they’re friendly and accommodating I’ll give them much better. (I’m talking regular ol’ restaurants like Chili’s, nothing fancy shmancy) ;)

  • @frozencherries - what she said. lol.
    i worked at good ole ruby tuesday for about 2 years. its an awful feeling when you do your absolute best and someone leaves you 2 bucks on a $50 tab. it hurts. a lot.

  • I’d say it depends on cultural norms. In Japan, tipping simply isn’t done. In America, it is. So I wouldn’t tip in one country while I would tip in the other.

    So even if servers were getting paid a decent wage in the U.S., it would be wise to tip, lest your next restaurant visit involve much spit in your food. Cultural norms are just that powerful.

    I’m balking at this new 20% standard (yes, the cost of living is going up, but so is the cost of restaurant meals), which is interesting because I approve of tipping big voluntarily. I think I just don’t like the “gimmee money, you scrooge” attitude I’m seeing these days.

    If things keep going in this direction, restaurants will stop paying servers entirely, forcing customers to tip at 40% or something.

  • I tip between 15 and 20 percent. Sometimes a little more. There have been one or two instances where my cash doesn’t particularly allow for me to give a good tip, so I feel terrible when I only leave a dollar for a $15 meal.

  • Having worked in the food business for a time, I would say no, they do not deserve a tip unless they earn it. While their minimum wage position accounts for much of the work they do with the business (cleaning stations, loading stuff and other back-of-the-house crap they put up with), they don’t work that hard to serve us. Furthermore, it isn’t a linear scale. Why the hell would I pay out more money just because they did the same task (bring me my food) to my table all at once? If anything, I would tip the cooking staff that puts up with a lot more crap and does a lot more of the work in getting me my food. I know, worked in the back! Truth is, I pay on a per-plate scale. If I order one thing, they get anywhere from $1 to $2, period. Thus, if there are four of us, they can only expect me to give a shit to pay $6. It doesn’t matter if for four people 15% comes out to $12. They didn’t work any harder to do the job. Nor do they work any harder than the person that brings me my food at a place where 15% comes out to $6. That difference in price is an artifact of the business and their pricing. If it comes down to the quality of food and its preparation, then why am I tipping for the extra cost to the server? They contribute nothing to that. I should then be tipping the cooks and the management for their crafty choices and delicate hand involved in my food preparation and atmosphere. Fuck the server, they are the most worthless part of the business. Fact of the matter is, I’ll forgo the tip money and get the food myself! 

  • I always treat tipping as a way to reward wait staff for their service – if they’re good, I tip them.  If it’s sorta lousy, I don’t tip them.  And there’s all sorts of stuff in between too, so I can scale the amount according to how I feel.  I have no guilt if I don’t leave a tip – they deserve what they get.

  • I have a post written about this.  I think I’ll put it up.  It has to do with the history of tipping, social darwinism, cultural differences, etc.

  • i always tip well

    i loathe when people leave bad tips, or even worse, no tip. it’s insulting and cheap.

    the hourly wage is so low, that waitstaff depends on tips to make a living and pay bills.

  • @dangerOp - i understand that you are paying for a service, but to not tip at all? how rude! waitstaff service fluctuates at any given time because of the state of the restaurant. when it’s busy, you may get lousy service, by no fault of your waiter.

    and waitstaff are human, they have emotions and sometimes they may be having a bad day. your not tipping them, will only make that worse, and contribute to the bad service because the waiter is now unhappy that they aren’t making money.

    i think your views on tipping are ignorant. show some compassion, this is their job, and as with any job, there will be days that work is a challenge and productivity may not be at its best.

  • @allisfulloflove_89 – My view is that the customer is king, and wait staff are professionals.  If they are having a bad day and they take it out on me, then they should not be working at all.  I hold myself to the same standards – if I have a bad day and let my customers feel it, then I expect to be fired on the spot.  Note I said “for their service” – this implies I do not judge them for things out of their control.  Note also that I HAVE worked a job where I served customers.  If you have compassion, then the first thing you do is try to understand the other person – but how about you?  You gloss over my comment and accuse me of ignorance – way to go!

  • @dangerOp -  i feel i am a compassionate person. i also work to serve customers, and try to give my best service to everyone i help.

    also, bad days vary widely. sometimes you have to go into work, even on your worst days. death, impending foreclosure, severe family illness, or a chronic bad situation can cloud even the sunniest of dispositions.

    i disagree with your “rewarding the server” attitude, your withholding a tip from someone who makes roughly $2.50 an hour seems like quite the power trip to me.

    but i suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree.

  • @allisfulloflove_89 – If it’s restaurant policy to include gratuities in the bill, then so be it.  If it’s not mandatory, why get so upset if people don’t tip?  You judge people as “insulting and cheap” for not tipping – then you say my attitude is a power trip.  If you were me, wouldn’t you find that insulting? I apologize if my first reply was a bit harsh – but I think you overstep your bounds too.  

    If I were a waiter and I consistently got zero tips, I would look at that as a big sign that something is wrong with my service.  I should first look at myself, and raise my standards.

    If you feel so strongly about the poor wages that wait staff get, then why not lobby for better minimum wage laws that cover them?  This supports all wait staff in the state.  People should not be going to restaurants based on how much the wait staff depend on tips to survive.

    I should add that I have rarely ever withheld tip – it’s just one option on a very wide scale based on my experiences.  The point I wanted to convey is that I don’t think it’s right to feel obligated to pay tips if the server is just plain rude, etc.  Of course there are many mitigating factors.

  • I don’t tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I’ll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it’s for the birds. As far as I’m concerned, they’re just doing their job. 

    ;)

  • @Manstration - *head explodes*

  • @Manstration - There’s something about that man’s love of toes I just can’t get behind. 

  • @NikBv - who are you referring to?

  • @Manstration - Who do we always talk about?

  • @NikBv - Thurman did have wonky toes. 

  • @Manstration - I have beautiful toes. 

  • I’m sure he’d love to film them.

  • @Manstration - … I refer you back to my earlier comment about not getting behind that. 

  • You can always get in front.

  • @Manstration - …

    So. Cold out today, no?

  • No. My whole thought on this is that while, yes you are making $2.50 an hour, you are making that because your job requires you to be personable, friendly and hard-working to make up the rest of what would be minimum wage for others. I look at waitressing/waitering as a job that requires you to suck up to people.

  • I am sitting in my basement wearing knee high socks, jeans, a shirt, a sweater and now I am wondering if I should get my mittens. 

  • @Manstration - I’m wearing pants and a thin shirt. Cold is a state of mind, my friend. Resist it!

  • In this part of the world servers are paid the same minimum wage as anywhere else. It’s good manners to tip but there’s no set amount, unless specified on your bill. Some places will simply have a tip jar. I’ve only had to tip a substantial amount when it’s a meal with a group. If on my own I might leave a Euro or any change I have left.

  • @Manstration - I’ve actually got a post in mind about these monks who go outside in freezing weather wearing nothing but a loin cloth, with a  wet towel draped across their shoulders, which they dry with their body heat through sheer force of will!

  • I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m just saying I don’t want to do it. Kind of like quitting my caffeine habit. 

  • Eh, I usually tip about 10% minimum. Dinner for two people usually runs about $50; as far as I’m concerned $5 above what they’re ALREADY being paid is fine for someone who provided the bare minimum service they’re required. If they go above and beyond what I expect from the waitstaff, they get more.

  • @Manstration - I don’t do that either. Chemical crutches are the devil!

  • Come visit my local hangouts and the people who know me will tell you I tip between $15-$20 every time. Each regular place I visit, has someone working there I know and want for them to wait on me. Therefore I tip generously. My below standard tip to anyone, good service or otherwise and if I don’t know them, is $5-$10.

  • yeah, i tip depending on much i like the service, but not because i think that the poor server doesn’t make enough money, anyway.  i just never think of that part of it.  you’re too cerebral!  this should be about the fooooood.

    ryc: i honestly can’t imagine you having that as a problem.  please teach me your ways.  go.

  • When i worked in a pub in England the landlady took our tips! We all got angry and she eventually gave us our tips back but in less than we had earned. Bitch!

  • And in this country tipping is not required.

  • waiters, waitresses,, dont make much money,, they of course rely on tips.. ive never been a waiter,, ive had a couple of cafes,, i paid my waitresses regular wages,, which was a little higher than mimimum wage,, i never checked with them to see if they got any tips…

    i tip fairly well,, i dont figure percentages…  are you calling me a mexican? hahahaha,, just curious,,, i do live in mexico… ive been known to translate for some mexican businessmen,, if we ate out,, i usually had to throw in some extra tip money on the meal,,, (they paid for the meals,,, always)  but the accepted tip in mexico is 10%,,, which a lot of times isnt enough..

    i dont go by % myself and my tips range from probably 50 to 75%,,, around here anyway,,, food dont cost much… the cuter she is,, the more she gets from me…

    some tip jobs make way more than normal folk,, or used to,,,, i dunno now,, id guess waiters/waitresses are feeling the pinch of job losses (well heeled customer loss).

    id say,, if you dont want to tip,,, eat at home…

    here i tip the bag boy at the grocery store… the security guard in the parking lot,..

    i even tip the cashier at the shoe store where i buy my families shoes,,, i tip her about 50%,,, but shes really cute,, and shes my niece…

  • I get that tipping promotes better service and I understand that the prices on the menu are lower than they would be if the restaurants had to pay the servers a regular minimun wage, BUT

    I would rather the restaurant adequately pay their wait staff and the management take care of employees that were giving bad service.

  • @Manstration - One of my favorite lines from that movie-film.

  • i dunno i just do it. It’s a good excuse to leave your number too if the waiter is hot.

  • @bryangoodrich - hah! Fuckin’ brilliant response. Though, a bit harsh maybe? But, brilliant nevertheless. 

  • @GunStarHero1988 - haha, thanks for the referenced entry. Would it be wrong for me to rec an entry that mentions me?

  • @mommabamf - i worked at rubys too!!

    @frozencherries - agreed

  • @NikBv - Hah, my pleasure. And I don’t think it’d be wrong. It’d send more traffic my way which other’s may rec… then it’d send more traffic your way and so on and so on. It’s a win-win for the both of us!

  • Tip based on service, which encourages capitalism!

  • I once heard a story about a guy that would put money out on the table and tell the server that if something was wrong each time something was wrong he would take a bill off.  By the end of the night what was left was the servers to keep.  If he had to wait for his drink to be refilled etc.  he would take a bill off.  Not sure how much he’d leave at the beginning but he always managed to get good service.
    I personally always tip unless I am given horrible service.  Then I leave nothing.  I usually leave 15 percent.  But I also rarely eat out at restraunts and when I do I want good service, very good service and when I don’t get it I tend to get disappointed.
    Last week I ate with a friend at a restraunt and Had 3 people waiting on us.  It wasn’t busy.  Our waitress came by twice.  The one time we needed stuff we weren’t given and I had to hunt someone down.  Another time was when a guy beside our waitress came with our food.  Our food was wrong and he got to take part back and correct it.  We left no tip because of all this but If I were to say any of them should get the tip it would be the guy that took our plates back and corrected them.  We never saw a manager.

  • I tip based on service alone! If they want my money, they can smile and be courteous, damnit!

  • RYC: You never fail to say something that makes me smile/laugh. The only thing about Disney/Pixar movies I like are the technical sides of things. Like, Toy Story, the technical side of the animation department is astounding for it’s time. Of course, the voice acting in my opinion is top notch with Tim Allen and Tom Hanks starring. I think that was the only Disney Movie I ever saw that I enjoyed due to the sheer technical side of things, and the story was nice too. 

    Then the movie Finding Nemo came out, and that was sort of that generation’s Toy Story with being such a huge technical achievement in animation and whatnot. Heh. It’s not all bad, I suppose. 

  • I wish tipping wasn’t automatically expected. It should be an optional reward for excellent service rather than the customary obligation it has become in this society. 

  • Jesus Mother of Christ of God, this blew up big time. 

  • I’ve been a server before.  Like any job, if tpping doesn’t even out to enough money, you should just leave the job.  If as a server, reguardless if it’s because the restaurant isn’t busy or if just because serving isn’t your thing, you need to leave if you aren’t making it.  Just like any job.  If the system doesn’t work, it won’t sustain very long.  If it works for a lot of people, it will.  Reguardless, people just need to not stay at this type of job if they aren’t making it.  It will help the right fall into place.:)

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